Gus is joined by his childhood friend Bob Wilhelm. As grade schoolers, they both attended Mary, Help of Christians and then went on to public high school together. Bob talks about how he fell away from the Catholic Church many years ago and, eventually, religion altogether. He talks about some of his reservations about what he believes the Church teaches and how he believes that God isn't intimately involved in our lives. He and Gus discuss these and other points.
Later, Gus gets feedback from listeners about his conversation with Bob and talks with them about issues they hear from friends and family who have issues with the Catholic Church.