Last weekend, the Vatican publicly excommunicated a very high-profile Church figure, Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano, for schism. Gus invites Eric Sammons, editor of Crisis Magazine, to come on and talk about it. Eric talks about how over the past four or five years, Vigano had made himself a very polarizing political figure by endorsing political figures, social and political movements and COVID protocol, but that these in and of themselves aren’t excommunicable offenses. The deciding factor was when he proclaimed that Pope Francis is not a valid pope and that the Second Vatican Council was also not valid. Eric also says that the schism statements automatically excommunicate Vigano and that the act of excommunication by the Vatican is medicinal and not punitive, meaning that it’s an act of love that draws the person back to the body of Christ in hopes that he or she will change.
Eric considers himself a traditional Catholic and attends the Latin mass but talks about the narrow road that movement must walk and that many people and movements within it have ventured into schism and he talks about some historical schismatic groups. He and Gus also talk about the injustice of excommunication and how it is dispensed in that the Vatican has not publicly excommunicated the bishops holding the German Synodal Way or rabidly pro-abortion politicians like President Joe Biden, Congresswoman Nancy Pelosi and others.
And it's Monday, so Gus does a few rounds of Tell Me Something Good with listeners.
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